tier 2 keto what different states including fasting cause different began to insulin to Google glucagon ratios which turn on and off these mechanisms in the body and guess what you know keido's being used to treat cancer in certain patients now so I would say your whole meat causes cancer thing is bullshit now meet in the contact and he does do this in this study when you increase protein in the context of the standard American diet as in you're in a high insulin state all the time it's a different process because of your insulin and glucagon ratio I you know and if you're epidemiology lines up with that then you know on a car based diet on a standard American diet meats probably bad this is probably the foundation that most of the vegan argument is based on is the studies that are in the text context of a carb burner then you shouldn't be overeating meeting fat during when you're in that state and I've said that before so